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frequent fry her - Hagatha
Frequent Fry Her TM - Hagatha/Posted: 6-JUN-03
Hagatha has always had issues with the clothes that I buy my daughter.  My daughter is, and has always been, one of the best-dressed children whom I know.  Hagatha's son pays less-than-minimum-wage child support (and is always late), so the clothes are paid for by me.  My daughter is now seven years old and favors skirts.  Hagatha says that I dress her like a whore!  She recently told my daughter that she was not allowed to go to church (she had a modest dress with her) because she looked like a whore!  Insane!!!!!

        Signed - Hagatha Is A "Churchgoer!"?????

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So, MIL and SIL are attached at the hip.  She is DH's only sibling, and she is younger than us by a few years.  She must be pretty amazing, because she simply can do no wrong.  My MIL makes it clear that she is her soul mate.  That is annoying in itself, but that's their unfortunate deal.  Anyhoo, after DH and I lived out of our home state for 6 years, we moved back a year ago, and things have blown ever since, especially since we live in the same town as SIL.  The two hours between us and the PIL is way too close.  I've been with DH for 15 years, and in that time I've only once done something alone with my MIL.  We went to get new driver's licenses,  It was a half-hour trip from beginning to end.  Being the moron that I am, I thought that maybe we'd have an opportunity or two to do some girly things.  MIL came to the town that we (SIL, DH and I) live in to make applesauce at SIL's apartment.  I emailed MIL and said, "If I don't work tomorrow, maybe I'll stop by to say hi".  There was no response to this, so I didn't go, and it was never mentioned.  The first time that we ate a meal with DH's family after this, she must've mentioned applesauce a hundred times.  It was obvious that she was dwelling on it to get to me, and I refused to acknowledge it or eat any.  I will never eat applesauce at their house, but I'll never mention how this made me feel, either.  I call it the applesauce incident of '02.  The most recent snubbing was excruciatingly blatant.  MIL had heart surgery early this year, and got into all this crafty stuff, including jewelry making.  Of course, SIL immediately got all into it, as if she'd never had an independent idea in her life.  We were staying the weekend at the IL's, and SIL was also there for the weekend.  The first thing I saw on Saturday morning when I came downstairs was MIL and SIL pulling out of the driveway.  I asked FIL where they were going, and he said that they were going to a bead store.  Oh, how nice of them to ask me along.  Oh well, not a big deal, but I made sure that DH and I were not there when they returned.  Instead, we spent the rest of the day with my family (of course MIL was pissed when she didn't see us till the next day).  So, I told her about the most fabulous bead store ever.  It was in a town that was 2 hours away.  When the woman becomes obsessed, no distance is too far for her to travel, and money becomes no object when she wants something.  A couple of weeks passed, and DH, SIL and I talked about visiting their grandparents the next weekend.  The days of the week went by and the weekend came.  The deal became that the ILs would come to the town that we all lived in, and DH, FIL and I got to visit the grandparents while MIL and SIL traveled to the bead store that I told her about.  Of course, SIL had to check it out beforehand to make sure that it was a good store.  So, the next morning at breakfast with DH's family, MIL pulled out a strand of yellow clear quartz beads and some raw quartz.  I said, "Oh, how pretty," and acted like they were the prettiest things ever.  The next weekend, at their house (why do I set myself up for this torture?!), she ran upstairs to bring down the necklace that she'd put together with these quartz beads, along with a bracelet that she'd gotten from her own mother.  It was made of amber, and she intended to wear it with the necklace.  My comments really threw her for a loop.  About the necklace I said, "They look like teeth," and about the bracelet I said, "It's too big for you."  She responded, "You sound like my mother."  Ha, ha, ha, I barely laughed.  A couple weeks later the ILs came to our town again to treat us all to SIL's birthday dinner.  We met FIL at SIL's apartment (they stay with her, of course, and sleep in her bed when they come to town) and we met MIL and SIL at the restaurant (they're "shopping").  They waltzed in, and MIL was wearing the string of teeth around her neck.  Dinner and conversation ensued, and she finally said to me, "Do you like my teeth?!"  I laughed heartily out loud (it was hilarious, really).  Very, very strangely, SIL sort of stood up for me.  She said, "She's been planning how to say that all day."  This clearly made MIL uncomfortable, and I was still laughing.  Conversation turned and went on.  I saw MIL turn to SIL and ask, "What did I do to piss you off today?"  By this time, I had to put my hands over my face, because I could barely contain myself.  I looked at her and said, "I love it, but whenever I look at it I think, TEETH!!!"  Hopefully, she'll never be able to wear the necklace again without being self-conscious and thinking that it looks like teeth.  That's what she gets for snubbing me yet again.  How hard would it have been to ask me along to the bead store that I introduced her to?

        Signed - Not Her Kid

        Per the poster's request, no responses collected.

I want to know something, and I'm sure you guys know the answer to it.  If you only want DH with you in the delivery room, can you really tell the hospital and have them keep everyone else out?  I read that some MILs just barge in.  How can this be?

        Signed - Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Usually the hospital will only allow two people in with the mother while she is having the baby.  If not, go and ask your doctor about this.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Yes!  Do not be timid.  Explain what you want and insist on it.  ANY normal, sane person should understand that a wife only wants her husband with her at that moment.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Yes, you can keep them all out.  Make sure that you tell the hospital beforehand, and when you get there.  Tell the nurse that, under no circumstances will anyone but your DH be allowed in the room.  If they need to get security and arrest MIL to do this, so be it.  MIL has a place at the birth.  Generally, it's about two states over.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
I'm not pregnant, but I made it clear to everyone that we will be the only ones even near the delivery room or the baby for the first few hours.  We are the parents, and we'd like to have some quiet time with our new baby before the baby starts getting passed around to everyone and their cousin.  That is our time - not theirs.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Yes, you can tell them to only allow your DH into the room.  That way, no one else will come in.  And, if your MIL comes in, then you can ask for her to be removed.  I did.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Just tell the nurses and doctors not to let her in.  If they do, sue!  I don't usually condone suing, but this is not an area where there should be compromises.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
I never had that problem, but definitely talk to the hospital staff when you are admitted.  MILs have no place in the delivery room unless specifically invited by the lady in labor!  Good luck.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Yes, by all means tell the hospital your wishes to be ALONE during this important event!  They WILL honor your request as long as they are aware of it.  It would be prudent to put it in writing to the nursing staff PRIOR to your delivery.  And, have your husband remind the staff about it when you actually check into the hospital.  Good luck!!

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
I have a better way to ensure that they never barge in.  When I went into labor, we only told my parents (so my mother wouldn't worry; she'd been calling every day) and my best friend.  My parents had said that they would only come down after the baby was born (they live an hour away).  We told my best friend because she was on standby in case DH couldn't be there.  My in-laws were only told after the baby was born, and their response was, "Why didn't you tell us?  We would have sat in the waiting room and waited."  I was in labor for 25 1/2 hours!!  And, that would have been the most effort that they have ever put in.  I can count on one hand the number of times that they have come to see DS in the last year, and they live about 1 mile away!!

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Although I hear about women making prior arrangements, on the day of delivery it is best to make your wishes clear to the staff.  When my daughter entered the hospital birthing center, she handed them a list that she had made up of people whom she wanted with her during delivery, and another list of the people whom she specifically wanted kept out.  No one (unless requested by my daughter) got past the nurses.  My DD felt that she was under enough stress, and the staff agreed.  Everything went smoothly.  Good luck to you!

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Sometimes, when it is very busy in the hospital, or the staff is rotating and uninformed of your request, the ILs just thunder into the room before anything can be done.  It happened to me.  Of course, I told the attending nurse, "No MIL."  When MIL showed up and came in, the attending nurse just stood there.  I had to be the one to tell MIL to get out.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Unless you have a planned induction or cesarean, no one knows when you will really go into labor.  First order of business, don't call anyone who you suspect will come rushing over.  Wait until the baby is born and you are ready to see visitors.  Second, yes, the hospital staff will keep people out, but you have to tell them as soon as you get settled in your room  Just say, "I do not want anyone other than my husband to be here.  No one!"

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Yes, they deal with this kind of thing all the time.  That's why they have a security staff.  What will probably happen is that you will tell them, but they won't know exactly who it is until she does show up.  Then, buzz the nurses, point out your MIL, and say, "That's the person whom you are to keep out of my room."  They can then deal with her if she tries to get past security.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
I live in Australia, and we certainly have the right to only have hubby in the room (along with the medical staff, of course).  Make sure to tell the nurse who is looking after you when you arrive at the hospital to keep MIL out.  Really push the point home to the nurse that MIL is not to be allowed in under any circumstances.

RESPONSE:  Just Want Me and Hubby and the Medical Staff
Every hospital (in the U.S., anyway) has a patient's Bill of Rights.  If your hospital has a web site, check it out there.  If not, ask for a copy.  This cannot be refused.  Go through the BoR with a fine toothed comb.  Next, let your doctor know what your birthing plan is, using the BoR as back-up.  Any reluctance on his or her part to comply with your wishes should set off red flags.  In this case, do not hesitate to pull rank.  Let him or her know that you will not hesitate to go higher up in the organizational hierarchy to get satisfaction.

Worst gift:  My mother is a wonderful woman who is rather tight with money (not because she has to be, but because she was raised in the depression).  For my birthday one year she sent a beautiful card, and inside was her membership card to the Cremation Society.  When I asked her why she sent that inside my birthday card, she said that she saved postage by enclosing it with the card.  It gave me a very uncomfortable feeling, and I didn't really want to face her mortality (or mine) on what is supposed to be a happy occasion.

        Signed - Dying to Know Why

RESPONSE:  Dying to Know Why
How do you say passive-aggressive in your neck of the woods?

RESPONSE:  Dying to Know Why
Ask her why she sent it (other than to save postage).  Perhaps it was her way of breaking the ice or making the situation lighter for all parties.

RESPONSE:  Dying to Know Why
My depression era grandmother once sent me eight quarters, while I was in college, for the laundry machines.  It cost $1.50 to mail it!  Some people are just like that.

RESPONSE:  Dying to Know Why
I know, she didn't have to send it in your birthday card!  But, I doubt if that occurred to her.  She might have wanted you to have that information on hand when the time comes that you do need to have it.  I know, but on your BIRTHDAY?  It sounds like you two love each other, though, and you'll get through it.

RESPONSE:  Dying to Know Why
That is kind of weird.  On the one hand, your mother might be worried that when she passes, you might not be aware of her wishes for her funeral.  But, maybe she didn't know how to start the conversation about it.  On the other hand, if she's like my mother, she could have included it to send you on a one way trip to guilt town.


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